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If this is true and not hearsay, a reference should be included.
:::That is also what I am trying to say too. Hamas officially denies his targeting let alone killing, and explaining in other sections with how they have admitted high ranking officials (most recently haniye) being assassinated this denial should at least be acknowledged [[User:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|The Great Mule of Eupatoria]] ([[User talk:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|talk]]) 09:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)▼
== Is the goal to misinform? ==
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:Nothing at Wikipedia mandates this; a source can be written in any language. [[User:Nythar|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#36454f;">'''Nythar'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nythar|💬]]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/Nythar|🍀]]) 03:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
:If you want to read it, Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge both have built-in translation for Arabic, it sometimes makes errors, but it's readable and gives you most of the story. [[User:FourPi|FourPi]] ([[User talk:FourPi|talk]]) 16:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
== Osama hamdan “confirmed” ==
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He didn’t confirm anything, he is lying saying Deif is alive even though he is dead. Hamas has died Marwan issa’s death as well even though he is dead and America and Israel have confirmed it so change this [[User:Kwabat5|Kwabat5]] ([[User talk:Kwabat5|talk]]) 00:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
:Mohammed deif’s death is disputed, and it’s best we wait until the war ends and see if it is true. As for Marwan Issa, they have not denied his assassination so there is no dispute or challenge to the Israeli claim [[User:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|The Great Mule of Eupatoria]] ([[User talk:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|talk]]) 10:07, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hamas have confirmed only about a dozens deaths of militants and leaders in the whole war, In Gaza it's just Haniyeh's sons and police? Deif is the only one they only they have directly claimed is alive? [[User:FourPi|FourPi]] ([[User talk:FourPi|talk]]) 01:36, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
:'''But''' I do think we should say clearly that it is disputed, in the info box and maybe the last line of the intro (too much to explain in the first line), and that there was an attempt last month, including a short realistic description of the event. Not a long one, we can link the page, and say "see below", but date + 90 killed + IDF and Hamas disagree about whether one of killed was Deif. Without that, people do trust wiki less, and also end up believing it was genuinely a "targeted strike" with "surgical" precision, as the IDF claim. [[User:FourPi|FourPi]] ([[User talk:FourPi|talk]]) 01:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
== Why is Hamas’ claims of him being alive given more weight than the IDF’s assertions he’s dead? ==
Hamas is a terrorist group that has nothing to gain by confirming his death. It will only hurt their morale. On the other hand, the IDF’s intelligence confirming Deif was eliminated in the strike seems pretty well supported. For what it’s worth, Hamas hasn’t confirmed Marwan Issa’s death either but that’s still confirmed according to Wikipedia. So why the double standard for Deif? [[Special:Contributions/2401:D002:8705:D400:E947:7A4C:5443:534D|2401:D002:8705:D400:E947:7A4C:5443:534D]] ([[User talk:2401:D002:8705:D400:E947:7A4C:5443:534D|talk]]) 11:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
:Because it's Wikipedia. It's not supposed to make sense. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:E255:10:5C12:F40:3B57:33BD|2600:1700:E255:10:5C12:F40:3B57:33BD]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:E255:10:5C12:F40:3B57:33BD|talk]]) 21:42, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
::So true. [[Special:Contributions/2603:9008:2101:E2F3:425:A6EF:6530:D9C3|2603:9008:2101:E2F3:425:A6EF:6530:D9C3]] ([[User talk:2603:9008:2101:E2F3:425:A6EF:6530:D9C3|talk]]) 04:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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::His body was blown to smithereens, so it won't be showed. It would be much easier for Hamas to diffuse an audio or video proving he is alive, no? --[[Special:Contributions/160.78.149.35|160.78.149.35]] ([[User talk:160.78.149.35|talk]]) 15:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Israel is the accuser. The burden of proof is on them. Their silly infographics won’t work and have numerous times proven to be false [[User:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|The Great Mule of Eupatoria]] ([[User talk:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|talk]]) 17:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
:::As always, history repeats itself! The article mentions how Israel claimed Deif was assasinated in 2014, which was disproven in 2015... I just think it will take time for Deif to be confirmed alive [[User:Deus vult fratres!|Deus vult fratres!]] ([[User talk:Deus vult fratres!|talk]]) 22:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
::I love how you felt the need to bring up the civilians as though it's relevant to this too, lmao. Yeah you're not biased at all, Mule [[Special:Contributions/2603:9008:2101:E2F3:425:A6EF:6530:D9C3|2603:9008:2101:E2F3:425:A6EF:6530:D9C3]] ([[User talk:2603:9008:2101:E2F3:425:A6EF:6530:D9C3|talk]]) 16:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Maybe because the people bombed were civilians? I don’t know, maybe where you’re at you’re taught Palestinians are animals that can be slaughtered in any number and not actual human beings. My bias (more like common sense really) doesn’t matter here [[User:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|The Great Mule of Eupatoria]] ([[User talk:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|talk]]) 17:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Riiiiiight. Well, I won't say more since apparently your outrageous bias and false accusations are allowed here but responses to it get deleted, so I'll just wish you luck with that BS, Mule. [[Special:Contributions/2603:9008:2101:E2F3:425:A6EF:6530:D9C3|2603:9008:2101:E2F3:425:A6EF:6530:D9C3]] ([[User talk:2603:9008:2101:E2F3:425:A6EF:6530:D9C3|talk]]) 01:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohammed_Deif&diff=prev&oldid=1242634160 I fixed it] by writing into the infobox details about his death with the parenthetical statement that it's disputed by Hamas. [[User:The Mountain of Eden|The Mountain of Eden]] ([[User talk:The Mountain of Eden|talk]]) 18:24, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
:FWIW Al-Arabiya has for a couple weeks had a report citing a [https://www.alarabiya.net/arab-and-world/2024/08/12/%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%B9%D9%8A-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%AF-%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%85-%D9%83%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D8%BA%D8%AA%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B6%D9%8A%D9%81-%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D8%AA%D9%83%D8%B4%D9%81 "Hamas source" as having confirmed] Deif's death. This would support your approach. [[User:PrimaPrime|PrimaPrime]] ([[User talk:PrimaPrime|talk]]) 16:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohammed_Deif&diff=1244001253&oldid=1243572152 This sequence of edits (along with the edit summary)] seems to establish a new standard that unless Hamas officially confirms the death of its leaders, Wikipedia will not use other references that do confirm a death. I would think that would be a gross violation of [[WP:NPOV]]? [[User:The Mountain of Eden|The Mountain of Eden]] ([[User talk:The Mountain of Eden|talk]]) 01:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:::I am not a participant in that sequence, however for example leaders which Hamas did not confirm the assassination of are still listed as killed (most notably Marwan Issa, Hamas did not confirm his death).
:::the reason Mohammad deif’s “assassination” is so controversial is that there are two parties involved already clashing with each other on wether he was killed, the lack of conclusive evidence of this supposed assassination and most controversially the manner of this “assassination” where 90 civilians were killed because Israel dropped several 1-tonne bombs (gladly supplied by America) over areas where civilians were sheltering [[User:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|The Great Mule of Eupatoria]] ([[User talk:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|talk]]) 11:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
== Change it back to was ==
change it to was and include a death sub section you can add a marker that it is disputed by hamas but Osama hamdan lies all the time [[User:Kwabat5|Kwabat5]] ([[User talk:Kwabat5|talk]]) 02:51, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
:The sub section is in the assassination attempts area [[User:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|The Great Mule of Eupatoria]] ([[User talk:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|talk]]) 03:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
::ok but in the first sentence why is it "is" not was or even "was or is" why is everything hamas says, the lying terrorist organization true but israel is false? [[User:Kwabat5|Kwabat5]] ([[User talk:Kwabat5|talk]]) 23:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Refer to the previous topic, to see why this dispute surrounds him and not other leaders assassinated such as Marwan Issa and Ismael haniye [[User:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|The Great Mule of Eupatoria]] ([[User talk:The Great Mule of Eupatoria|talk]]) 11:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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