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{{consensus|On hold until YellowMonkey returns and has a chance to respond to the concerns raised below.}}

 

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:#--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 00:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

:#[[User:Seb az86556|Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] ^{[[User_talk:Seb_az86556|> haneʼ]]} 13:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

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:#I do endorse the issue though note that YellowMonkey hasn't been on-line to respond to these issues. Similar issues have also recently occurred involving a recent unblock [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YellowMonkey#Hey_now this] thread on YellowMonkey's talk page where he was asked questions about a fairly silent unblock and didn't respond. Block was for stating that "{{diff|User talk:Pal2002|397472197|397449335|I'd knock your teeth out if you in this room right now.}}" and unblock was only documented in any way (that I can find) with the edit summary "useless block". [[User:Hobit|Hobit]] ([[User talk:Hobit|talk]]) 04:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

 

 

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#Endorsement based in part on participation in the British Empire FAR/C. [[User:Fifelfoo|Fifelfoo]] ([[User talk:Fifelfoo|talk]]) 07:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#-- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 07:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Lothar von Richthofen|Lothar von Richthofen]] ([[User talk:Lothar von Richthofen|talk]]) 23:20, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Secret|Secret]] ^{[[User talk:Secret|account]]} 23:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

#--''[[User:Brewcrewer|<span style="font family:Arial;color:green">brew</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Brewcrewer|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#2E82F4">crewer</span>]] [[User talk:Brewcrewer|(yada, yada)]]'' 00:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

#--[[User:Shshshsh|<span style="color:blue">'''''Shahid'''''</span>]] • ^{''[[User talk:Shshshsh|<span style="color:teal">Talk</span><span style="color:black">'''2'''</span><span style="color:teal">me</span>]]''} 12:04, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

 

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#Agree with most, make correction that YM is a ''FAR'' delegate.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 01:45, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

 

===Outside view by RegentsPark===

#--[[User:RegentsPark|RegentsPark]] ([[User talk:RegentsPark|talk]]) 01:00, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 01:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC) Agree, but I think a sincere apology to YK is in order by now.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 01:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#-- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 06:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#-- [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 08:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

# '''Endorse'''. The point on responsiveness needs to be made, but YM is still far and away a net positive for the project. - [[User talk:2over0|2/0]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/2over0|cont.]])</small> 18:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Shoy|shoy]] <small>([[User talk:Shoy|reactions]])</small> 16:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Lothar von Richthofen|Lothar von Richthofen]] ([[User talk:Lothar von Richthofen|talk]]) 15:40, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

 

===Outside view by Baseball Bugs===

#←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] ^{''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''} [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 01:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 01:48, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#--[[User:RegentsPark|RegentsPark]] ([[User talk:RegentsPark|talk]]) 03:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#[[User:Hobit|Hobit]] ([[User talk:Hobit|talk]]) 04:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#-- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 06:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#Endorse, excluding the comments about the content issue. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ^{[[user talk:rd232|talk]]} 08:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Kanatonian|Kanatonian]] ([[User talk:Kanatonian|talk]]) 18:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

# -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 22:39, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Cube lurker|Cube lurker]] ([[User talk:Cube lurker|talk]]) 15:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

# I believe that there are significant problems with several articles relating to India. [[Hogenakkal Falls]], and its historically lame edit war (in which I was involved, to my shame), is one example of such. YM has dealt with these articles more than most of us. His administrative work, in general, have been an example which places most of us other admins to shame. In this case, he may have gone a bit beyond what is necessary, and may have been a bit less communicative than we might like, and for that some criticism is probably due, if only to reduce the possibility of the individual's actions being possibly made the subject of suspicion. Having said all that, we all make mistakes. If this is the only one YM has made of this degree, that makes me feel even smaller than I otherwise do, particulrly considering the lameness of some of the justly earned criticism I have received. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 19:09, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

#--[[User:Shshshsh|<span style="color:blue">'''''Shahid'''''</span>]] • ^{''[[User talk:Shshshsh|<span style="color:teal">Talk</span><span style="color:black">'''2'''</span><span style="color:teal">me</span>]]''} 12:06, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Lambanog|Lambanog]] ([[User talk:Lambanog|talk]]) 03:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 03:57, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

# Endorse the junior admin part. YellowMonkey's content contributions are not at issue; misuse of administrator privileges are. [[User:Quigley|Quigley]] ([[User talk:Quigley|talk]]) 20:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

 

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# I felt the RFCU was slightly premature, since YM was not fully active on WP during the ANI discussion. But [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:YellowMonkey&action=historysubmit&diff=398396056&oldid=398359972 these] comments suggest waiting wouldn't have helped, and this summary is a good one. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ^{[[user talk:rd232|talk]]} 08:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

# Fair enough, and he should probably pass India-related FARs to his fellow delegate. A FAR delegate should not be acting in matters where impartiality can be reasonably questioned.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 14:25, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Zuggernaut|Zuggernaut]] ([[User talk:Zuggernaut|talk]]) 17:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Kanatonian|Kanatonian]] ([[User talk:Kanatonian|talk]]) 18:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Quigley|Quigley]] ([[User talk:Quigley|talk]]) 20:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

# -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 22:39, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Zuggernaut|Zuggernaut]] ([[User talk:Zuggernaut|talk]]) 17:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

# YK was being borderline disruptive and I thought it might reach the point of being blocked, but was quite surprised to see a 2 week block, and done with no warning or even announcement that it was done. I discovered the block by accident--it was not obvious he had been blocked. Was also surprised to see his attempts to discuss it over the next few weeks being met with near total silence from YM. I'm less sure about the "British nationalist editors" glorifying the British Empire. But the whole thing was painful to see. I've seen several promising editors driven away from Wikipedia by things like this. Glad to see YK did not give up, and does seem to be working to be less disruptive. [[User:Pfly|Pfly]] ([[User talk:Pfly|talk]]) 18:33, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

# Endorse the notion that editors (of all nationalities) with underrepresented views should be brought into the fold and not insulted or marginalized. [[User:Quigley|Quigley]] ([[User talk:Quigley|talk]]) 20:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

 

===Outside view by Physchim62===

 

I’ve had several “interactions” with {{admin|YellowMonkey}} over the years, and I must say that I’m not in the least surprised by his attitude over this dispute. The combination of an ''[[ex cathedra]]'' pronouncement followed by a simple refusal to discuss his actions is, for me, one of his hallmarks.

 

#[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 18:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#[[User:Tomayres|Tomayres]] ([[User talk:Tomayres|talk]]) 19:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#[[User:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] ([[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|talk]]) 20:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#[[User talk:East of Borschov|East of Borschov]] 22:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#--[[User:Crossmr|Crossmr]] ([[User talk:Crossmr|talk]]) 23:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC) Wow. That's kind of disgusting.

# Only the last paragraph. [[User:Shoy|shoy]] <small>([[User talk:Shoy|reactions]])</small> 16:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Quigley|Quigley]] ([[User talk:Quigley|talk]]) 20:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

# Non-responsiveness is a huge problem for an admin, and this does increasingly look like a pattern. Having been well aware of this issue at arbcom, it's even harder to excuse. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ^{[[user talk:rd232|talk]]} 11:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

#[[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 08:01, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Hillcountries|Hillcountries]] ([[User talk:Hillcountries|talk]]) 10:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

# -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 21:34, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Cube lurker|Cube lurker]] ([[User talk:Cube lurker|talk]]) 15:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

# Agree. He's authoritarian and blocks people in disputes that he doesn't understand. [[User:Ninguém|Ninguém]] ([[User talk:Ninguém|talk]]) 20:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

#Specifically discussion of admin actions. If YM is unwilling to do that, he shouldn't be using the tools. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 16:02, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Outback the koala|Outback the koala]] ([[User talk:Outback the koala|talk]]) 08:36, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

 

===Outside view by Kanatonian===

#[[User:Serpent&#39;s Choice|Serpent&#39;s Choice]] ([[User talk:Serpent&#39;s Choice|talk]]) 20:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#Believe this should be followed up by uninvolved admin to view deletions and revisions. This may be a serial pattern here. Given YM's ... unyielding response, this could happen again, and very likely will.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 20:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#Endorse the analysis of blocking actions <s>but, per SlimVirgin, question the analysis of protection actions</s>. The six-month semi-protection of [[Nguyễn Văn Thiệu]] seems very questionable given the low level of vandalism, and YM's obvious involvement in the editing, both evidenced in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nguy%E1%BB%85n_V%C4%83n_Thi%E1%BB%87u&limit=250&action=history article history]. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#[[User talk:East of Borschov|East of Borschov]] 22:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#[[User:Kanatonian|Kanatonian]] ([[User talk:Kanatonian|talk]]) 23:55, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

#[[User:Tomayres|Tomayres]] ([[User talk:Tomayres|talk]]) 01:54, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

# This is what it's about. Nothing else. [[User:Seb az86556|Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] ^{[[User_talk:Seb_az86556|> haneʼ]]} 13:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Shoy|shoy]] <small>([[User talk:Shoy|reactions]])</small> 16:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Quigley|Quigley]] ([[User talk:Quigley|talk]]) 20:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

# Endorse. Note: Mnlira013 has no deleted contributions. The user's additions in 2010 were merely adding [[History.com]] links to some External links. The sole talk page interaction was a note from someone else describing this as "Nonconstructive editing." (in the edit summary - [[WP:Twinkle|Twinkle]]'s Vandalism Warning Level 1, I think), which wasn't exactly helpful, and suggests YM didn't even look at the user talk page, because seeing that should have prompted some notification about spam (since he saw it that way), most obviously by choosing an appropriate block message. Except of course it wasn't spam, even if the links shouldn't be added. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ^{[[user talk:rd232|talk]]} 11:14, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] ([[User talk:Jafeluv|talk]]) 22:59, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Hillcountries|Hillcountries]] ([[User talk:Hillcountries|talk]]) 09:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

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# --[[Special:Contributions/150.101.127.159|150.101.127.159]] ([[User talk:150.101.127.159|talk]]) 09:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

#I remembered that, but wasn't quite sure whether to bring it up. But since you did... Yes, not good to make such statements at RFA, without any evidence (handwaving to the effect that "anyone can see from his edits in that topic area" is not evidence), and then not respond to DGG's rebuke. In view of the latter aspects, seems a relevant part of the behaviour pattern being discussed. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ^{[[user talk:rd232|talk]]} 16:14, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Kanatonian|Kanatonian]] ([[User talk:Kanatonian|talk]]) 16:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Quigley|Quigley]] ([[User talk:Quigley|talk]]) 20:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Hillcountries|Hillcountries]] ([[User talk:Hillcountries|talk]]) 09:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

 

===Outside view by Nick-D===

#--[[User:CarTick|CarTick]] ([[User talk:CarTick|talk]]) 11:47, 24 November 2010 (UTC) well said. very similar to what i [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=398057531 said] at ANI. It is no surprise his no-nonsense approach is not popular with more than a few. --[[User:CarTick|CarTick]] ([[User talk:CarTick|talk]]) 11:47, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

#--[[User:RegentsPark|RegentsPark]] ([[User talk:RegentsPark|talk]]) 12:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

#--[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 18:44, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

# Has the balls to admit to being wrong and apologise; rare quality in an admin. Is prepared to jump in and deal with a problem; rare quality in an admin. Well said. Seems like a lot of people are indulging in chips on shoulders rather than contributing to an RFC. ''[[User:Justin_A_Kuntz|Justin]]'' <small>''[[User Talk:Justin_A_Kuntz|talk]]''</small> 22:21, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 14:16, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 23:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Secret|Secret]] ^{[[User talk:Secret|account]]} 00:21, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

# &ndash;[[User talk:Moondyne|Moondyne]] 14:01, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

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# [[User:Quigley|Quigley]] ([[User talk:Quigley|talk]]) 19:54, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

#Absolutely. If YellowMonkey won't do the decent thing and simply resign his tools, they should be removed from him. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 20:17, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

#[[User:Kanatonian|Kanatonian]] ([[User talk:Kanatonian|talk]]) 21:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

#This is highly problematic. I recall a similar case from 2008 (see [[Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics/Archive_39#Section_break_2]]), in which YM blocked one of his/her opponents (Googlean) with the motivation that Googlean had violated a 'consensus' (a consensus proclaimed by YM him/herself and not endorsed by any other editor prior to the block was issued). --[[User:Soman|Soman]] ([[User talk:Soman|talk]]) 22:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

#[[User:Crossmr|Crossmr]] ([[User talk:Crossmr|talk]]) 23:10, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

#There's a pattern here.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 02:54, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

# <small>(Lo and behold, I'm endorsing Quigley.)</small> [[User:Seb az86556|Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556]] ^{[[User_talk:Seb_az86556|> haneʼ]]} 03:04, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

#As has been stated, repeated pattern of poor administration. [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 08:25, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

#Endorsing; I'm open to the possibility of YM explaining his side of this (as I requested) sufficiently well that I'd strike my endorse, but I'm not holding my breath. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ^{[[user talk:rd232|talk]]} 10:55, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] ([[User talk:Jafeluv|talk]]) 23:17, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Hillcountries|Hillcountries]] ([[User talk:Hillcountries|talk]]) 09:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

# -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 21:47, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

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# [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ^{[[user talk:rd232|talk]]} 12:00, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Quigley|Quigley]] ([[User talk:Quigley|talk]]) 14:40, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Kanatonian|Kanatonian]] ([[User talk:Kanatonian|talk]]) 17:45, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

# Seems more bizarre than WikiCriminal to me. Note however that YM has used his alternate account to try to ''deflect'' criticisms of his lack of admin accountability, by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/YellowMonkey&diff=prev&oldid=398546684 pointing out] that {{user|YellowAssessmentMonkey}} has plenty of talk page contributions while {{admin|YellowMonkey}} has remarkably few: the problem remains that the talk page contributions on YAM are not the ones that are expected of YM as an admin. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 19:10, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

# [[User:Hillcountries|Hillcountries]] ([[User talk:Hillcountries|talk]]) 09:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

 

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#[[User:TheTimesAreAChanging|TheTimesAreAChanging]] ([[User talk:TheTimesAreAChanging|talk]]) 05:08, 2 December 2010 (UTC)He does indeed have a terrible habit of personal vendettas.

 

 

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