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Image:365px-Apple-iPhone.jpg

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Also Image:Unlocked iPhone.jpg, Image:Iphone menu.jpg, Image:IPhone Display.jpg, Image:IPhone Display.png, Image:Iphone001.JPG, Image:IPhone Display with Headset.jpg, Image:Apple-iPhone.jpg, Image:IPod touch no BG.png, Image:IPod family 07.jpg, Image:IPod Line.png, Image:IPod touch.JPG.jpg, Image:Iphone-perspective.jpg, Image:IPhone Playing Music.jpg

The user interface is copyrighted. Lokal_Profil 15:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The interface is copyrighted, images of it are not when used as an example. - 24.23.37.62 23:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's going to be the third time this image is deleted for this reason. I'm starting to think salting it... Patrícia msg 09:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Have retagged the ar image and nominated the en.wiki versio for deletion. /Lokal_Profil 14:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Added a few others images to this request. There might be even more at Category:IPhone /Lokal_Profil 13:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Added a few more. These are iPod touch rather then iPhones but the same applies. If the result of this discussion is deletion then please retagg the originals on en.wiki etc. or the images will just be transwikied again later on./Lokal_Profil 22:59, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree with Lokal's logic that this and all others with the interface should be removed. Cumulus Clouds 20:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
An alternative would be to crop the images so that the user interface is not displayed... but then one could just take a photo of a turned of iPhone instead. /Lokal_Profil 22:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The user interface is copyright as well as the case as well as the look of thousands of other products. You are not allowed to recreate such things. But that does not mean that you are not allowed to publish photos (!) of such products. -- aka 07:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The user interface is copyrighted. The industrial design of the utilitarian object itself is not copyrighted, but patented. You are allowed to publish photos of patented objects, but you are not allowed to publish derivative works of non-free copyrighted non-utilitarian works of the mind such as computer graphics. See Commons:Derivative works. —LX (talk, contribs) 22:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep "it was not infringing copyright because of a legal ruling that concluded that it was not possible to patent the "look and feel" of a computer interface." "In 1994, Microsoft won a lawsuit brought by Apple for copying graphics from the Macintosh operating systems for use in Windows." [1] Nzgabriel 09:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't confuse patents and copyright. Also, I wouldn't use news.com.au as an authoritative source on legal issues (or anything else for that matter). —LX (talk, contribs) 22:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Or use any of our opinions for that matter. Is there a reputable expert on these things? Mattnad 18:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete while there may be a good argument, that it isn't going to result in a lawsuit, the simple fact is that the copyright backdrop, icons, design, etc. make it not free enough for commons. I cannot reuse the image by cutting out the icons and creating my own phone user interface - therefore it isn't free enough for commons. Megapixie 12:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I dont think this is "clean enough" for commons, but its important to remember it could still go on an individual wikipedia where the copyright guidelines aren't as stringent. Frijole 14:10, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all images except the latest revision only of Image:IPod Line.png, or blur the rest out in a similar fashion. —LX (talk, contribs) 22:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete from Commons The images, including their interfaces, are a vital component to the English Wikipedia (among possibly others) and fair use can be justified for that project. Please upload every image to the separate Wikipedia image library, with fair use rationales.--HereToHelp (talk) 00:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The UI is fair use when used alongside critique. We discuss the product, from its strong points to flaws, so it is fair use. Case closed. Aido2002 04:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Except that we don't allow fair use images on commons... Megapixie 07:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even so, we must give the fair-use-tolerant projects a chance to upload the images so they can be used for encyclopedias, etc. --HereToHelp (talk) 11:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If someone whit the relevant language knowledge (or in the case of en.wiki the knowledge about how their fair-use templates work) could upload the image to those wikis then we should be able to og back to the blurred version. As far as I've identified the wikis in question are chinese, hebrew, english and simple english. And we should remember that just as we shouldn't rush for the sake of the fair-use tolerant projects we also shouldn't delay for the sake of the non-fair-use projects. /Lokal_Profil 12:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I tried upload Image:IPod Line.png to en.wikipedia, leaving my computer to sit and upload the massive file for almost 12 hours, but it still hadn't gone through. Is there any way to just sever to Commons ties and have the image stored directly on the English Wikipedia?--HereToHelp (talk) 00:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I run into "Upload warning. A file with this name exists at the Wikimedia Commons. Please go back and upload this file under a new name." which is not very heplful. Is there any way of forcing the image to be uploaded? Or perhaps (in this case) an en.wiki admin can just restore the old version on en.wiki /Lokal_Profil 01:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I used a different name…but since it never uploaded it doesn't matter.--HereToHelp (talk) 02:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image now locally uploaded to en.wiki as en:Image:IPod Line2.png if someone could fill our the relevant fair use rationale that would be great. /Lokal_Profil 11:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done.--HereToHelp (talk) 20:34, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And the blurred version has been restored together with a link to the en.wiki unblurred version for those wikis that allow Fair use. /Lokal_Profil 21:17, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This blurring is unnecessary and ill-justified. See my detailed comments below. --Mareklug talk 15:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are we discussing the complete deleteion of the image, as in commons and en.WP, or commons alone? If it is only to delete from commons (or delete and re-upload, technically) then I'm in favor. Aido2002 05:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'ts a delete (or replacement with blurred screens where applicable) on Commons. Wikis which allow fair use (such as en.wiki) can still use the old image though but it will have to be locally uploaded (under a different name if the Commons version si blurred). /Lokal_Profil 23:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The following are used in en.Wikipedia articles and need to uploaded there: Image:IPhone Display with Headset.jpg, Image:Apple-iPhone.jpg, Image:IPod touch no BG.png.--HereToHelp (talk) 02:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say that only one Image:IPhone Display with Headset.jpg and Image:IPod touch no BG.png were fair use (since they are alternatives) but I'll leave that decission up to en.wiki.
The main question now is do we want to keep any of the others on Commons (once blurred that is) /Lokal_Profil 02:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Would you like to explain what part of "per above" supports keeping the images? /Lokal_Profil 16:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is wikioverpolicing at its finest. Deletion requests like this make me want to leave Wiki*edia. This is nothing but free advertising for Apple Inc.: They are not going to sue anybody. I suggest you request the deletion of pretty much every picture Wiki*edia hosts. Most designs, layouts, blueprints, etc. are copyrighted in some form. --Indolences 01:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • If the point was not to get sued, we could go ahead and use Apple's images, where the pixels of the hardware are copyrighted, too. Trade magazines get away with this stuff all the time. However, we must hold the Commons to the standards not of Apple but of the Commons. They'll be fine on en.wiki or other local projects with a quick rationale, but not on Commons. (See Megapixie's first comment.)--HereToHelp (talk) 13:17, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Why are we even voting on this? The whole point of the Commons is to provide free content. It's not free, therefore it does not belong here. Delete these, and move [some of] them back to en, where they can qualify as Fair Use. tiZom(2¢) 20:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is a photograph, not a screenshot. SteveSims 03:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Wrong. Its a photograph of a copyright-protected screenshot. That is, a derivative work. --Ecemaml (talk to me/habla conmigo) 10:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep What makes this image special? We have interface screens for about every other deice out there. --74.130.71.74 20:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep use your brain SYmODE09 11:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the user didn't say "I own this User Interface" or such explanation of the case. Also, it is only copyright infringement if the user didn't credit the originating website, person, or him/herself. If this is the case, notify the user instead of this deletion request. --69.113.239.149 22:55, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That isn't true. Crediting the director/producer of a movie does not give you the right to use that movie in a derivative work. Similar thing applies here. Unless apple has licensed their user interface under a free license any image including the UI is a copyvio. /Lokal_Profil 01:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A question to Lokal Profil: I can see you are concerned about the User Interface being copyrighted. Apple did get serious about the iPhone icons being leaked all over the internet. However, the images reported as copyright infringement don't represent any of that. That and Apple isn't losing or gaining profit this way. Are you overreacting or am I wrong? --69.113.239.149 19:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You are wrong. This simply isn't free as in "libre" media. Shouldn't be uploaded here full stop. Apples reaction simply isn't important. Megapixie 03:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep he is my favourite Wikipedia user! User:Juju93100 20:57, 01 January 2008 (GMT)
  • Keep I think this is overkill. Criminy, it's a photograph of a MP3 player. I think people are (mistakenly) conflating of a photo of something (ipod), and the reproduction of an application interface. They're not the same thing and I suspect we're being overly cautious here.Mattnad 22:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The only time you should ever delete an Apple 'Touch' Generation photo is if it only shows the UI and not the product showing it. There's no problem with the product, it's to show the product and nothing more. If it were showing the cropped UI image, then it's what you're describing. So you're describing the wrong thing. --24.187.45.0 22:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or delete everything in Category:iPod. --Saber 15:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Is there a more acceptable middle ground ? Megapixie 11:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep None of the graphics submitted here in a mass request for deletion fall under the claimed reason "The user interface is copyrighted", because none of them is a depiction of the user inferface! These are informative, identyfying pictures of various consumer products, which incidentally happen to reveal a minute amount of the user interface seen more or less obliquely, as part of an overall encyclopedic illustration of an item. Let's not get overzealous, and in the process impute legal restrictions to images where there aren't any. The pictures of these computing devices are only tangential to their interfaces anyway; none of them is a depiction of an interface as such. This request for deletion should be withdrawn as a waste of time, a case of a general misunderstanding of principles involved, and an unwitting contribution to global FUDding :). Peas. --Mareklug talk 07:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Just randomly from the above - Image:Iphone_menu.jpg has absolutely no user interface elements in it at all I suppose... Megapixie 11:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    It too is a picture of a device, suitable for an encyclopedia entry or another Wikimedia project: It depics among other things the ergonomics of use, how big the device and its controls are, or the order of magnitude of their set, and the controls are depicted in this case relative to the size of a human hand, conveing such information as that a stylus is not physically required to resolve them, but a fingertip would do, or what a sighted person might reasonably expect to see. Again, in order to convey this salient information about the device as a whole, a minute portion of the user interface is obliquely visible in a picture for reasons of scale and to present contextualized information as to what the device is like. It is not a depiction or derivative work of the interface itself, while conveying some information about how one interfaces with the device. This situation might be comparable to a picture of an airliner on Commons, where the airliner livery, including the copyrighted logo or logotype or lettering with the airline's name are all prominent. No one is requesting the deletion of those graphics from Commons. --Mareklug talk 14:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    All of those arguments are very valid... for a fair use rational on en.wiki. On Commons we however require that all images can be used for derivative and commercial use. /Lokal_Profil 15:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    If, as you just said above, all of those arguments are very valid, you just admitted that you're wrong: the argument about airliner images on Commons incidentally showing copyrighted interface information is one you have no answer for. It's only your opinion/interpretation about the other arguments supporting only fair use on the English Wikipedia, and you are mistaken. Kindly withdraw the silly, time-wasting deletion proposal already. --Mareklug talk 15:35, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Apple's logo isn't copyrighted too? We begin here and won't end ever... Siorc
    Two wrongs don't make a right though. This is also about the iPhone picture, not about the Apple logo. Let's stick to the subject. -- Northgrove 18:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This would only qualify as fair use material, but it's on Commons. -- Northgrove 18:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep If I take a picture of a cityscape and it happens to have a copyrighted logo on a building in it I can still license my picture under a free license. I think the same kind of rule applies here--otherwise it's saying that there can never be a free picture of an iPhone while it's turned on, and that's unreasonable. -- LastUserNameEver 18:23, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Is it? There can newer be a free pictura of a computer runing Windows whilst it's turned on, same thing. The difference between the iphone image and the cityscape with the logo is that there the unfree part of the image hopefulle does not occupy about 80% of the picture. /Lokal_Profil 22:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I disagree...it's also unreasonable to say that you can't have a free picture of a computer running windows. But, I digress. Anyway, I think this has a lot to do with intentions. If the intention of the picture is mainly to show the iPod touch UI, then there's a better argument for deletion than if the image is used to illustrate the iPod touch hardware. I think we're shooting for a sort of middle-ground, that gives you the whole iPod touch feel. And if we're saying that individual wikis have to use fair-use images to illustrate iPod touch, why not just use official press images from Apple? You're bound to get in a lot less trouble calling those fair use than calling these fair use. -- LastUserNameEver 15:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - If it is copyrighted, provide a fair use rationale as to why an image of the phone and its interface is directly applicable to the article on the iPhone. Make sure it is not used anywhere else. Dont just delete it. Chrislk02 21:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It's simply a picture. You can't look at a picture of an iphone/ipod touch? 71.191.53.82 12:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete A photograph of an office where some computer screens with a Windows desktop happened to be visible could of course be kept, but here the user interface itself makes up too much of the image. Replace with images of turned-off i-phones, etc. /NH 13:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Or hack the iPhone and put a freely licensed user interface on it =). Or an easier alternative is bluring the display. /Lokal_Profil 15:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment If the result of this discussion is delete (which looks unlikely, given the votes so far), then I would prefer blurred iPhone/iPod touch pictures to turned-off iPhone pictures, because it would still give at least a vague idea of what they look like in use. Though I still maintain my belief that the images are free, like the hypothetical office photograph. The main thing in the images is the hardware, not the UI. -- LastUserNameEver 18:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Or have the i-phone's picture viewer display the Commons image of the year in full screen mode :-) /NH 14:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But as it has been said above: since I can't copy the images and use them in the interface for the nhPhone they are not free - not in the sense that they could be kept on Commons. /NH 10:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. To end the discussion after nearly 3 month. All except Image:IPod Line.png (blurred screen) deleted, because of copyright violation. When screens of Computers show a copyrighted background image or screenshots consists of copyrighted material, we do exactly the same. So, I decide the same way in this case. ChristianBier 09:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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