-russia relation shape. there's also a question of are there things that the administration can do to change the narrative that would allow the administration to -- greater flexibility in dealing with russian than has now. and like the cruise missile attack that mike kofman talked about it change third dynamic of the conversation between the trump administration takes an action like that. there's great public and congressional support for that here in the united states. the russian leadership is visibly angry about it, and opposed to it. so, i wouldn't rule out further progress in the relationship without the election issue being resolved, because i think at a certain point there will be -- the election interference was a major issue at a time when there was no policy toward russia and everybody was trying to guess what the administration residents policy toward russia was them more that there is a russia policy and that there are intervening events, like the cruise missile strike, i think the more that the

he was in russia recently.e was there, traveling to several russian cities, to present a documentary on boris nemtsov. he abruptly became ill, was hospitalized. his friends, families, those of us in the room, feared he was targeted with poison. and i have to say, for all of us who know him and have worked with him, he is a man of courage. he is a person who has strength of convictions -- deep convictions -- and a very fervent desire to see a democratic russia. re fundamental freedoms are protected. is vice chair of open russia movement and chairman of the boris nemtsov foundation for freedom. and we are very honored that he is able to be here with us. i also want to recognize his evgenia, who is also here, who is also truly a person of courage as well in this fight. please join me in a vigorous applause for these very three distinguished speakers. senator cardin. [applause] -- distinguished speakers. >> madam ambassador, thank you very much for that very generous and kind introduction. it's a pleasure to be bac

i understand the point, but it's not putin's russia. it's russians' russia. russia is not vladimir putin. russia is an ancient proud culture and tradition embedded in its people. vladimir putin just happens to be a tyrant that today controls its government, but i thank you for inviting me to participate in this event. and i'm incredibly proud to be here with vladimir kara-murza. when we talk about people around the world who risk their lives in the name of freedom, vladimir is an example of just how true this is. and his brave fight for democracy and freedom in his country is truly an inspiration. we have an award in america called the profiles in courage, and it is large lly given to someone who took political risks because you might have lost an election or took nasty criticism in the press for doing so. a real incredible level of courage is knowing that your position on politics can yhave you killed or exiled or both. the state of human rights under vladimir putin and russia has long been on a severe decline. this deterioration has only accelerated in rece

russia foreign policy. >> very accomplished quite ,nowledgeable experts on russia a variety of institutional perspectives. the second question which we are asked in -- asking, what does america need? conversation this what america needs rumpefined by the winning t team. if we look at what the president is saying today, his secretary of state and security advisor, we would give a different answer. the russian behavior has changed completely. another possibility that president assad -- they did not pass the test, that is also a disability. another disability is that the president has discovered something new and incriminating about russian conflict or discover something important that we he was not aware of regarding and american anyway, this is a very important, interesting and difficult topic and i am looking forward to the conversation. we will start with -- director of the center for european russia and european and professor -- of georgetown university, who has written numerous books and articles on russia. she has a background as a scholar and a practitioner. she has also traveled to rus

because russia will not go with russia.we have to find ways to avoid a new cold war and new arms race. that is exactly why i'm very much in favour of what we call the jewel track approach to russia. as a former norwegian politician i have the experience to work with russians because norway is bordering russia. norway was able even during the cold war to develop a pragmatic working relationship with russia. cooperating with them on energy, an border issues, environment, fishery. also in military affairs. that was not despite our membership in nato, it was because of membership in nato, because nato provided the strength, predictability, the platform for a small country to have a political dialogue with russia. so i strongly believe the only way to deter russia is to be strong, but the only way to avoid new cold war, avoid a new arms race, avoid increasing tensions, is to continue to engage russia in political dialogue and make sure what we do is defensive and proportionate in the response to a more assertive russia. i give t

and russia?he answer to that, i would go to the racetrack and redeemer a lot of the money i lost over the years. but i would say way too close, way too possible. the other new cold war fronts are heating up. that is the north wall to carry a, the small baltic states and poland were nato is building up beyond reason. ukraine, where the american supported the government and give is melting down. but of course, it is syria. we have a lot of troops there. we don't know how many. they is probably more than have told us. american pharoah planes are flying. the battle for raqqa, which is the symbolic, real islamic state capitol in syria is coming up. both sides want to take it. the american coalition, the russian-serine-coalition. ideally, they cooperate. if they can be to take the city, you're going to have american and russian aircraft flying in a very close area. do we have 30 seconds for final word? jonathan was right about the russian unwillingness to abandon assad, but i believe and the rurussian

but at the same time, we have to find ways to engage with russia, to talk with russia because russia will not go away. russia will be our biggest neighbor and we have to find ways to live with them and try to avoid a new cold war and new arms race. that's exactly why i am very much in favor of what we call the dual-track approach to rush ha. as a former norwegian politician, i have the experience of working with russians because norway is bordering russia and norway was able to even during the cold war to develop i call a pragmatic working relationship with russia. cooperating with them on energy, border issues, on environment, on fishery and also in military affairs and that was not despite our membership in nato, but it was because of our membership in nato because nato provided the strength, the predictability, the platform, for a small country to have a political dialogue with russia. so i strongly believe that the only way to deter russia is to be strong, but the only way to avoid a new cold war, avoid a new arms race and avoid increasing tensions is to coinue tengage russia in

and russia. this is a half hour. >> the big topic of the day, the syria, russia, north korea, china. ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states and secretary-general of the north atlantic treaty organization. president trump: thank you. secretary-general stoltenberg, it is a pleasure to welcome you to the white house, especially at such an important moment in our great alliance. i also want to acknowledge the great work being done by our secretary of state, rex tillerson, to strengthen this nato alliance as well as his trip to moscow to promote the security interest of the united states and its allies. he did a terrific job. i watched parts of it. he did an absolutely terrific job. 68 years ago this month not far , from where we are gathered today, president harry truman spoke at the signing of the north atlantic treaty. in the nearly seven decades since harry truman spoke those words, the nato alliance has been the bulwark of international peace and security. nato allies defeated c

there's also an element of russia's agency, russia's conduct in this environment, and russia's conduct, i would have to agree with steve, has made it in some cases much bloodier and more violent than it had to be. >> thank you. with quite a few people raising their hands, we have 1 15 minuts so i will ask all of you to ask brief questions or comments, and brief answers. governor? [inaudible] thank you, dimitri. i apologize for being a few minutes late. rainstorm and interstate 95 traffic kept me from hearing and you and stephen, although i listen closely to paul and michael and its children to get to the edge of what to the russians want. you'll try to get to that and maybe that was explained by the first two speakers carefully, but paul, i read very closely your lavrov interview, very closely, and trying to understand what do the russians want by listening to the interview. what i came away with was an interview that expressed anger, resentment, a sense of inferiority, fear and that their actions would then be conducted as a result of that. what we are seeing right now is an invasion

this is an effort to name and shame russia. to put the ball squarely in russia's court. when nikki haley says russia needs to choose whether to side with assad or the civilized world, that's a very important message. we'll see, you know, president putin has already said his foreign minister is going to meet with the ministers of syria and iran later in the week. so you really have the two camps, the international community, the western world and the civilized nations. and russia, syria and iran on the other side. >> and david, it is striking how nikki haley has not just from the post at the u.n., but in interviews outside of it, has used such stronger language. it is so much more critical and direct in pointing the finger in staring down russia than we hear from president trump on this. >> yes, kate. i think that is totally right. she says a lot more like john mccain, lindsey graham, marco rubio, than she does her boss, donald trump. although clearly donald trump, maybe not rhetorically yet, but we have heard from his actions and his adversaries, is beginning quite clear

and from the beginning russia wanted to be a part of it, russia wanted to join nato.hink we've lost the question. the question is about the security of this part of the world under donald trump — here's what worries me... that one of his closest advisers, newt gingrich, talked about their baltics as if they were a suburb of st petersburg. that's what he said of estonia. this part of the world, that's what i suggested. and that is a mentality that is existing in our white house, and when the time comes, this is all nice we've increased our forces, that defence spending is going to grow, and i'm all for that but this is about what happens in a crisis. this is about the fact that people are worried. vladimir putin has already intervened in estonia, by kidnapping people and removing them. he's invaded ukraine and the reason people are worried is what will the united states do in a crisis? if your president doesn't believe that nato is important, no matter what the vice president says, and the secretary of defence says, the president may not behave in a way that brings sec

, we can talk to russia because russia is our neighbor, russia is a states, so we must find ways to manage that . i have certain the united states supports this approach, partly because the united states is contributing with forces to enhance our presence in the eastern alliance and also the southeast and romania, -- in romania, and the president fight withy will not russia, but based on unity and strength in the alliance. the next question? thank you very much. secretary-general, how long do you think it will take you to persuade the other european countries to burden share, and what are you going to do to persuade them? mr. president, can i ask you -- i am here to help. and mr. president, do you think it is conceivable with your instinct, is it possible syrian forces could have launched the attack in italy -- in idlib last week without the russians knowing, and have you been disappointed, surprised by vladimir putin's reaction since then? thank you very much. donald trump: i think it is certainly possible. i think it is probably unlikely, and i know they are doing investigations into tha

and russia. i thank the foreign minister for rounds of discussions and i look for to future conversations. thank you. >> [speaking russian] [inaudible] do think the rhetoric can change and is it helping the diplomacy or not? mr. tillerson: i think the perspective of the united states supported by the fact that we have are conclusive. the recent chemical weapons attack carried out in syria was planned and it was directed and executed by syrian regime forces. we're quite confident of that. this is just the latest in the series of the use of chemical weapons by the assad regime. notwithstanding, they use them in more than 50 occasions. chlorine bombs, cluster bombs, and other types of weapons that are intended to maim and kill in the most were thick ways. i think the characterization is one that president assad has brought upon himself. >> there needs to be an investigation between u.s. and russia and elimination of syria's chemical weapons and records. we have had the necessary agreement as well as

do you think russia... unfortunately was not supported. not supported? you were isolated. is there a danger that russia has become almost dangerously isolated as a result of this issue? i do not accept the claim that russia was isolated, even in this particular case. as you know, the western draft resolution was not supported by five of the 15 members of the security council. abstained rather than vetoed. well, there is only the need for one permanent member to veto a resolution. and on the question of what happened with... whether there was a chemical attack, you call for an investigation by the opcw. they are going to carry out an investigation. will you accept whatever theirfinding is? of course. i wonder why they are not there yet, because two weeks have passed. the syrian government has invited them to inspect the airfield which was the object of the us air attack, and certain prominent figures of the opposition that controlled the area where the alleged chemical attack happened, they said that they wo

russia put their name on the line. at what point do they recognize that they are now getting on the wrong side of history in a really bad way will he quickly? look at the country's standing with them. iran, syria, north korea. this is not 18 you want to be on. team you want to be on. the lines that have been crossed are those that no country should ever want to see another country cross. >> [indiscernible] the quote that hitler's did not think to the level of using chemical weapons. what to do mean by that? thehat he was not using chemical gas on his own people the same way. i appreciate that. he brought them -- into the holocaust center, i appreciate that. did,he same way that assad where he brought them into the middle of town. i appreciate the clarification. >> following the briefing, the white house put out a statement from sean spicer. "in no way was i trying to lessen the holocaust. was trying to explain the tactic of using airplanes to drop chemical weapons on population centers. any attack on innocent people is

-russia cooperation. so in other words despite all this tough talk, what they're trying to do behind the scenes is give mus cow room to maneuver to get on the same side as washington. and that's why while you had all these tough statements out of tillerson, out of lavrov, you don't have a two-hour meeting and not get anything done with the president of russia. this is in a sense to take your analogy of the bromance being over between russia and washington, d.c., this is -- >> listen, tillerson is in russia at the same time the russian investigating dominating the news here at home. just tonight the fbi director james comey said americans need to inoculate against russian attempts to undermine faith and democratic processes. when that is your backdrop, what can you really expect to accomplish here? >> i think you still have to represent the interests of your country. russia is going to represent the interests of its country. and our interests in some areas coincide, and others they don't. you have to under

they are russia. it used to be the area of the eastern bloc over which russia believes it should still have influence. are aality is that if you large country in a region, yes, you will probably have outsize influence on what happens in that region, but the reality also is that those are no longer part of the eastern bloc. the south caucasus, georgia, you have ukraine and the baltics and these are independent countries. if they decide to take a certain route, should that really be up to russia? i think with respect to crimea i think now when we are speaking about ukraine, the issue is much and the issue is eastern ukraine and the thousands of people have died there and whether or not the ukrainian government to make the forms necessary while they're still fighting with russia in part of its country. host: as far as the talks currently going on, described what to expect from the rest of these talks. do we see future meetings happening between the two countries? guest: yes, prudent and trump are excited

russia in a corner. secretary tillerson saying clearly russia has to make a choice. its current position means it is supporting iran, assad, hezbollah, and it needs to come across the table, if you will, and support the international community in getting a cease-fire and bringing a political transition in syria. tillerson saying that you believe now, russia has been falling short on its obligations. >> it is also clear russia has failed to uphold the agreements that have been entered into under multiple u.n. security council resolutions. it is unclear whether russia failed to take this obligation seriously or russia has been incompetent but this distinction doesn't much matter to the dead. >> the bigger picture right now if you look at this collectively is that the trump administration is caught up with the obama position on assad, transition to get him out of power. they have now the added heft they are willing to use military strikes and it's all in tillerson's hands as he heads to moscow. alisyn. >> t

russia vetoed it. russia and bolivia voted no. but china did abstain for the vote, an effective win for united states diplomacy on foreign relations. not much agreement with russia. but tillerson did get a meeting with putin and did agree relations are at historic lows. where do we go from here? >> i think we could have come to that assessment without the travel of secretary of state tillerson to russia. two weeks ago vladimir putin invited the president of iran and they had two days of talks. i watched the c-span debate at the u.n. security council. whawhat you saw was a a belliget minister from russia. i know we are talking about opening up lines of communication and die losing. but you have to look at the actions of russia. their actions with the ukraine and the baltic states. they were well aware of what bashar al-assad is doing in syria to his own people, and in many ways they have been complicit. liz: over half of americans support president trump's action in syria. trump again said no plans for ground troops in syria. the m

crimea is part of russia. sanctions. moscow wants them scrapped. one more thing, russia wants to be recognised as a superpower again, as russia wants to be recognised as a superpower again, as one russia wants to be recognised as a superpower again, as one of the boys, at the top of the table, calling the shots. that is all very well, but right now, the chances of an east— west deal are rapidly receding. even if donald trump agrees with moscow's wishes, his ties with russia that are insinuated, could leave it out to —— leads to an outrage at home. norman, the government still stinging after that failure to get a further sanction, targeted sanction adopted by the g—7 meeting at which borisjohnson attended. how is the government trying to turn the conversation and make the idea of russia seem as relevant as possible? there's a postmortem going on at westminster after that rebus of boris johnson's westminster after that rebus of borisjohnson's suggestions westminster after that rebus of boris johnson's suggestion

is, so to speak, the and e between russia europe. if the united states gives up russia, it wouldn't make america great. would contrary, it strengthen and embolden putin, ho is challenging american global leadership. has strong strategic interests in keeping ukraine as western world. host: okay. form eformer nato ecretary general anders rasmussen. and as we talk about the u.s. relations, we have a line of 202-748-8003. if you're outside the united we encourage you to join the conversation as well. want to ask about a tweet you sent yesterday. you said the world hasn't become a more peaceful place after u.s. hesitation to act over eight years. we need a policeman and only play that role. what did you mean by that, and what was the reaction? guest: there was a lot of that tweet, i can you. because it is important to state that the united states shouldn't policeman. s but you can see that the world is on fire. wherever you look, there are problems, middle east, iraq, erbia, africa, even europe is sinking from the burden from refugees. n

on that, we can talk to russia because russia is our neighbor, russia is a states, so -- russia is here to stay, so we must find ways to manage that. i have certain the united states supports this approach, partly because the united states is contributing with forces to enhance our presence in the eastern alliance and also the southeast in romania, and the president expects they will not fight with russia, but based on unity and strength in the alliance. the next question? >> thank you very much. secretary-general, how long do you think it will take you to persuade the other european countries to burden share, and what are you going to do to persuade them? mr. president, can i ask you -- i am here to help. >> i like that question. [laughter] >> i'm here to help. and mr. president, do you think it is conceivable with your instinct, is it possible syrian forces could have launched the attack in idlib last week without the russians knowing, and have you been disappointed, surprised by vladimir putin's reaction since then? thank you very much. donald trump: i think it is certainly possible.

what comes next as russia, iran, the syrian regime -- we heard just last hour, russia has already said it's going to stop d conflicting over the skies of syria. the next couple of hours and days are going to say a lot about where this potential conflict comes. >> a lot of questions remain, president trump is taking action, making it very clear to the rest of the world that were not going to stand for this. we've got live fox news coverag. live from washington, d.c., at the state department, kristin fisher is at merrill lago with the president. conor powell is live on the ground. connor, what is the latest for you are? >> good morning, overnight that u.s. fired 60 tomahawk missiles. the aircraft took off to deliver that deadly chemical attack, the aircraft also turn there. syrian media and russian media say that there is extensive damage done to the space. the question is what type of damage was done? we've heard conflicting reports, a lot of damage done to the base. the u.s. also gave warning to russia to get their people out of there before these strikes were carried out, so syrian me

russia but their name on the line.t is not a question of how long att alliance has lasted, but one point they recognize they are getting on the wrong side of history in a bad way really quickly. look at the country standing with them. iran, syria, north korea. team you want you want to ba to be on. i think they recognize a line was crossed, one no country wants to see another cross. reporter: when does the white house plan on releasing president trump's tax return. second, how many people are you expecting? mr. spicer: two tough ones. one, thee first president has been under audit. we filed financial disclosure forms the other day. it allows everyone to understand , a tax return clearly lists how much money you make, how much taxes you paid. every debt you owe. it is much more comprehensive. this question has been asked and answered over and over. the american people, the middle they are concerned about tax reform and allowing the economy to grow. with respect to the easter egg rule, a huge topic. i appreciate that. th

what russia did.hy are we really met with russia on the left, what is this really about? >> i don't think it's left or right, i think it's country before party. you have many republicans who believe these things, lindsey graham, john mccain, richard ibarra. have direct or comey who aggressively went after hillary clinton in the investigation, i don't think this is a partisan issue so much as we need to get the bottom of it. >> tucker: the permanent establishment in washington, my question is why would that be good for the united states? you saw democrats say that it was deeply troubling that the trump administration alerted the russian military before striking syria, would have been better to kill some of them with air strikes? >> i think what you have there is people weren't assured that the administration was put in the united states interests first. that's why they might have made a statement like that. what you saw today, however, was a very resolute administration, one which is not going to take

we want to work together with russia. russia is a threat. russia intervened in our election -- just about everything you can imagine. you could chart this and say there has been a progression over time, a movement, and you have had a lot of interaction with the president. i know you have been on the phone with him and you had a meeting here with him in washington. you met with secretary mattice at the defense minister meeting. you met with rex tillerson and you met the vice president on the security council. i want you, in your own words, where do you see the u.s. administration on nato today? how do you characterize u.s. policy, u.s. support, u.s. interest and concern? mr. stoltenberg: the message underneath nato has been consistent. in all my interactions, in all our conversations and also with the president and rex tillerson and his whole team. the message has been all the time that they are strongly committed to nato. that they see the value, and they want to make sure that nato continues to adapt. and both the strong commitment to nato,

russia cannot escape responsibility. in fact, if russia had been fulfilling its responsibility, there wouldn't be any chemical weapons left for the syrian regime to use. there is one more thing we know. we know that if nothing is done, these attacks will continue. assad has no incentive to stop chemical weapons as long as rush -- russia continues to protect his regime from consequences. i implore my colleagues to look at their hard words in this council. we repeatedly repeat tired talking points that is regularly undermined by the assad regime. time and time again, russia uses the same false narrative to deflect attention from their allies in damascus. time and time again, without any factual basis, russia attempts to place blame on others. there's an obvious truth here that must be spoken. the truth is that assad, russia, and iran have no interest in peace. the illegitimate syrian government led by a man with no conscience has committed untold atrocities against his people for more than six years. assad has made it clea

maybe not attributed to russia. but we have a problem at large right now with our information sources. >> senator rubio -- >> i think you hit the nail on the head. i don't really have a lot to add to it. we are faced a strategic attack. it's not a kinetic attack usually. it's a political attack. another question comes. what sort of strategic response are we going to be able to develop to that? we could elaborate on that. >> senator warner. >> again, thank all the witnesses for their testimony. doctor, i'm going to start with you. we have heard a lot recently about the role of the head of russia's largest aluminum company and the role he may have played in helping to support the goals of president putin. can you characterize the role in this area, and then more broadly, are there any of the oligarchs in russia, at least those not in exile, that aren't somehow caught up in the kremlin's foreign policy activities? or are there any truly independent? >> thank you, senator warner. i can't add anything to the conversation

and russia.nk the foreign minister for productive round of discussions and look forward to future conversations. thank you. >> translator: now we will go over to questions on channel 24. >> my first question is to mr. tillerson. we have heard from washington not any contradictory but also aggressive statements. i mean, mr. trump who has called assad an animal and from the white house sean spicer who has said that hitler hadn't used chemical weapons. how does that actually fit in with the american diplomacy and when will the rhetoric change? >>. >> well, i think the perspective from the united states supported by the facts that we have are conclusive. that the recent chemical weapons attack carried out in syria was planned. it was directed and executed by syrian regime forces and we're quite confidant of that. this is just the latest in the series in the use of chemical weapons by the assad regime notwithstanding their use on more than 50 occasions of chlorine bombs, cluster bombs and other types

, to talk with russia because russia is not -- will not go away. russia will be our biggest neighbor, and we have to find ways to live with them and to try to avoid a new cold war and arms race and that's exactly why i am very much in favor of what we call the dual track approach to russia, and as a former norwegian politician i have the experience to work with russia because norway is bordering russia and norway was able even during the cold war to develop a pragmatic working relationship with russia, cooperating with them on energy, on boarder issues, on environment, on fishery, and also on military affairs, and that was not despite our membership in nato, but it was because of our membership in nato because nato provided the strength, the predictability, the platform for a small country to have a political dialogue with russia so i strongly believe that the only way to deter russia is to be strong, but only way to avoid a new cold war, avoid an arms race and akrois increase tensions is to continue to engage russia in a political dialogue and mak

russia knows what's in russia's interests. we may not agree with it, but they have a port in the mediterranean in syria. they have air bases in syria. they srf a geo political view, as does iran, about what role they want syria to play in the power, the balance of power in the middle east. certainly nothing today indicated that tillerson and/or trump and/or the missile attack had changed russia's view of this position in the world, syria's position, in any way shape or form. >> melissa: no, but maybe in those details you just mentioned, there's a deal. if that is their interest, does that outweigh or is there some way to negotiate within that frame work i guess is what we'll see. some have suggested that. it's possible to maintain their interest but still you don't have assad in position there. it's somebody else. i don't know how hard that is to achieve. >> that is certainly one of the things that the white house has been talking about. the possibility that while the allowites, the sect that assad represents, that could remai

that's a great embarrassment to russia. >> was russia complicit in this syrian gas attack, the sarins attack against the civilians in one way or another? what's the latest information you're getting? >> well, from my standpoint, i'll give you my view of this, the man who ordered the attack was assad. and the one we're holding responsible for it is assad because he continues to do it. and i think for that reason the international community is sort of come to the conclusion, and this is why our secretary of state is there meeting with putin today in moscow, to try to reason with the russians and explain look, this -- the judgment of an individual who has killed 480,000 of his own people and driven 14 million people out of their homes, many of these dps are stretched across syria but many across the middle east and now in europe, someone with that inability to govern his country, someone with that streak of cruelty in him is not going to bring order out of the chaos that he's helped create. so i think at this point, that discussion, that political discussion has to happen in terms of th

as far as russia is concerned, she said "russia needs to side with the civilized world." >> to my colleagues from russia, you are isolating yourselves from the international community every time one of assads planes drop another barrel bomb on civilians. every time assad tries to starve another community to death. people not just in the west but across the middle east and the world are speaking out against assad's brutality. >> haley has called assad a "war criminal." expect the vote in about 20 minutes. >> shepard: thanks. new information leading two trump associates directly to russia. what we've learned about the former foreign policy adviser carter page and the campaign manager, paul manafort. new information and it's next. (vo) my name is bryan. i'm proud to make dog chow in davenport, iowa. dog chow's been a part of my family's life for over 40 years. my grandfather made it and now i'm making it. as a micro-biologist i ensure that dog chow leads with high quality ingredients. but we've got the get tdigital tools to help. now with xfinity's my account, you can figure things out easily,

putin set leader of russia. russia is a strong country. we're a very, very strong country. >> president trump also very suspicious of putin, questioning if russia knew about syria's chemical attack before the slaughter of those innocents. >> they are doing investigations into that right now. i would like to think that they didn't know, but certainly they could have. that's a butcher. that's a butcher. so, i felt we had to do something about it. i have absolutely no doubt we did the right thing. >> the president's comments come in short time after secretary of state rex tillerson tour of moscow meeting with vladimir putin. after his boss president trump, secretary tillerson with the ominous news that there is a low level of trust with russia. and amid all the feuding, get this, president trump with a surprising message at his joint press conference with the head of nato. >> the secretary general and i had a productive discussion about what more nato can do in the fight against terrorists. i complained about that a long time ago, and they ma

it's welcome. >> reporter: blunt talk from the new secretary of state about russia while in russia on his first official trip there. would have been note worthy for any merge diplomat but more so since president trump has been so con speak lously reluctant to criticize the russian dictator. during his campaign -- >> putin said great things about me. he said, trump is a genius. his candidates wanted me to disavow the statement. why would i disavow that statement? i agree with it. >> reporter: after after he became president. >> putin is a killer. >> a lot of killers. you think our country is so innocent? >> reporter: even today despite his administration's tough talk about russia's actions in syria, trump refused to condemn putin personally. >> putin is the leader of russia. russia is a strong country. we're a very, very strong country. we're going to see how that all works out. >> reporter: by way of comparison, this is how the senate's top republican sees putin. >> putin is a former kgb agent. he is a thug. >> reporter: veteran diplomats say president trump's reluctance to call are o

he actually lives in russia. he lives full time and works full time in yekaterinburg in russia. and now the story has come full circle. at least i hope this is full circle and won't turn into a spiral. the founder of the yes secession california has announced he's not coming back to the united states. he says, quote, i have found in russia a new happiness. he says, quote, i had long planned to return to occupied california to struggle for her independence from the united states but alas, now he says, quote, he does not plan to -- he does not plan to return to california in the foreseeable future. he says even though he still believes that california will some day achieve its independence from the united states, his group yes california is withdrawing its ballot language now from the secretary of state's office and so basically, that yes california movement, the california secession movement under him is now just this kid living in yekaterinburg, russia. happily, as a russian now. but nevertheless saying he plans to continue to serve as the representative of the republic of calif

anyone critical of russia. this is what happens there an abysmal human rights situation that becomes even worse. we have seen over the last number of years vladimir putin's critics mysteriously poised on, many occasions on multiple occasions thrown out of windows, murdered, all this just this year along and we're only in march. vladimir survived his second poisoning attempt. the government has implemented draconian laws. we watched this week predominantly young russians took to the streets to protest corruption within the putin government to make clear that the people of russia what they want is a transparent ghoofrmt respects their voice iz in shaping their future. what was the response of the putin government? they arrest and detained hundreds of people. this is only the latest incident that reminds us how critical it is that the united states stands with the russian people in their fight against a beautal, corrupt and repressives va jet stream. this behavior by the putin ra yeem is nothing new in the in twef

position as far as cooperation with russia that russia must admit or agree that syria was behind thetack, and that russia must disown assad? like can cooperation happen if russia maintains the position that syria is not behind that chemical attack? >> it is not just "behind it." i think that russia has joined an international agreement regarding the -- not just the use of, but possession of. it was susan rice who went out and said that syria no longer had access to chemical weapons. we any that's not true. i think the united states, russia and others, signed an international agreement that syria was part of that said that they would not, not only use, but possess chemical weapons. the first thing that we need to do is make sure that we enforce the existing agreement that russia is a partner to. that is first and foremost. i think we need to make sure we do that because it is in the national interest of the united states to make sure that the proliferation of chemical weapons spreads no further. that's something that we've got to be very careful of. not just the deterrence of future u

in russia now? >> that is one of the counter indications of russia be an authoritarian. although they have crackdown on public opinion polling to some extent they have not prohibited it. so, you can go into the country and work with an independent polling company who is not affiliated with the government and you can ask just about any question you want to ask. i say just about, for as i know you can ask any question. no one reads our questionnaire, no one approves it we ask questions about what you like about putin what don't you like about him and people give us answers. we have little tricks we can play in terms of asking people questions to try to tell if they are lying to us or not. the evidence is that they're trying telling us as much of a truth. >> so what is the take away? >> guest: the take away in the book is that people support undemocratic regimes for the same reason they support democratic regimes. they like regimes that provide peace and prosperity, individual both the security and fre

because russia is not -- russia will not go away. they will be our biggest neighbor. we have to find ways to live with them and avoid a new cold war and arms race. that's why i'm in favor of the duel-track approach to russia. as a former politics, i have the experience to work with the russians because norway borders russia. norway was able to develop a pragmatic working relationship with russia. cooperating with them on energy, border issues, environment and fishery and military affairs. and that was not despite our membership in nato. but it was because of our membership in nato. because nato provided the strength, the predictability, the platform for a small country to have a political dialogue with russia. so i believe the only way to deter russia is to be strong and the only way to avoid a new cold war, avoid a new arms race and increasing tensions is to continue to engage russia in a political dialogue and to make sure what we do is defensive and proportionate. now i give the floor to diego. >> thank you. i'm from norway. russia is our neighboring country. what

-russia relations get back on track? two presidents meet each other, if they exchange views, then there will be a chance for our bilateral relations to get better. >> mr. peskov, thank you for your time the morning. >> thank you very much. it was my pleasure. >> let's bring in the chair of senate armed services committee, senator john mccain. welcome. good to see you. you were smiling through much of that interview with mr. peskov. the russians are essentially saying that the sanctions imposed by barack obama are worse than a nuclear standoff. worse than the cold war right now. yet, as george pointed out, there was no public retaliation after the sanctions were imposed. what does that tell you? >> i don't know what it tells me except that they're succeeding. succeeding in continuing their dismembering of ukraine. succeeding in exerting enormous influence in the middle east. which they never had before. they have succeeded in interfering with our election. we know that they continue that in the french elections and other

russia is going to act in russia's interest, and syria is russia's interest. >> before we go, your reaction to the news tonight about the warrant on carter page? >> i think that's fascinating. i predicted in my book which i wrote last september, there had to be warrants out there. i know some people had projected there were warrants that were applied for and turned down, but this shows the fbi got it the minute they asked for it. which means that must have had some significant intelligence about carter page and his links to russian intelligence, which have been 100% high confidence, like a telephone call or some intelligence report which they could corroborate with other special intelligence or human intelligence. either that or carter page works for the fbi and he's just being dangled out there to look as if he's still part of the cabal. i don't know. i hope that's the case. it means we know a lot more about this plot than people are letting on, because if that was out there, that mean, i mean, dwsh when he did his interview with chris hayes, i said very early on, he essentially has no rig

position as far as cooperation with russia that russia must -- that russia must admit or agree that syria was behind the chemical attack and that russia must disown assad? can cooperation happen if russia maintains the position that syria was not -- >> it's not just behind it. i think russia has joined an international agreement regarding the not just the use of but possession of. susan rice went out and said syria no longer had access to chemical weapons. we know that's not true. i think the united states, russia and others, signed an agreement that syria was part of that said they would not only use but possess chemical weapons. the first thing we need to make sure of is that russia is an agreement to. that's first and foremost. it's in the national interest of the united states to make sure the proliferation of chemical weapons spreads no further it's not just the deterrence of future use. >> at this point, the u.s. is not agreeing with the u.s. contingent that the syrian government carried out the attack. >> i understand that. secretary tillerson has just landed a few hours ago and i

and i think it's very bad for russia. i think it's very bad for mankind, it's very bad for this world. >> putting aside the fact that while assad was barrel bombing his people, donald trump was tweeting that bark obama shouldn't have any involvement in syria, the formal ties go back between russia and syria to 1944. russia has a naval base and now an airfield in syria. at this point shaming vladimir putin may not be the best strategy. sdplz that is sort of the big question and the potential question mark on the strategy moving forward. i would pull back and say a couple things, ali. number one, the language you heard from vladimir putin was strong. president trump expressed a desire to work with him in his campaign, last year calling him a stronger leader than president obama. the question now, though, what we heard from rex tillerson was very tough talk. we have not heard that matched yet from president trump. for all the talk about how crucial this press conference that we just watched was, and it was, remember, there i